Tuesday, August 9, 2016

Are you sure college is right for you?

Here's a fun fact: "For every 100 kids who start college, just 25 get degrees and attractive jobs. Some 45 drop out, and another 30 graduate but end up under- or unemployed"--at least that is what Market Watch is reporting--and those drop outs and underemployed have whopping amounts of student debt.

Too many students may be "book ready" once they leave college, but they can't even accomplish the fundamental real-world applications required by their major. Take the example of the MIT graduates (yes, that's plural) that could not use a wire, light bulb, and battery to make a light bulb work. Yikes.

It is important to get a hands-on education--that's why vocational studies are so important in high school. Oh, you don't know what vocational studies are? Well that's because wood shop, bookkeeping, nursing, and auto shop have been cut from K-12 education. Did you have electronics in high school? Could you build a basic computer? No? Yeah, that's what I've been saying. You have been cheated because instead of framing out a room, or wiring a house, or connecting an actual light bulb to a battery, you have been learning about Ohm's Law.

And then what happens? You go to college, pay a bazillion dollars for an education, graduate and then can't find a job.
Even Google is starting to notice and "changed its hiring strategies after Laszlo Bock, senior vice president of people operations, analyzed their data and found no correlation between job performance and an employee’s GPA, SAT’s, or college pedigree. Google now considers an applicant’s ability to collaborate and to perform authentic job-related challenges. Now, they hire many new employees who never went to college."
And Google is your dream job? As a college student you need to consider what it is you actually need to know before you graduate college. What is it that employers actually want?  Do you really need to spend $100k to get the experience you need to land that job?

What is your major? Can you get all the education AND experience you need at college to land a good job when you're finished? What is your dream job? What company would you love to work for? Is a college-degree required? What kind of degree(s) do they like? What kind of experience do they want? Do you think you will be ready for the real world once you leave college?

69 comments:

  1. I find it interesting that according to this article so little students are finding a job but it is true that our k-12 education doesn't prepare us for the real world and in our careers or college experience.

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  2. My major is general management currently. I can definitely get all the education about what I need for my major in college, however I'm not sure about experience. My dream job is to have my own restaurant however that requires a lot of money so I plan on being a manager for a company like Starbucks since i already have 2 years experience in their and am good friends with the corporate executives. Honestly I don't think I will ever be ready for the world after college. I spent so much of my life in the education system it would feel weird without it.

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  3. As a Speech Therapy major that needs tons of accreditation from schools, both undergrad and masters, and organizations, college is a must. From the school I am attending they have a good enough program in which they have all the classes and hands on experience with actual people who are effected with speech disorders, from the moment you apply for the school in that major. My dream job would be probably working for a big hospital like Stanford or Kaiser in the future with an emphasis with either the elderly or special needs children. I believe when I graduate college I'll have most of the knowledge I need to succeed in the workplace.

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  4. I do not think it is possible to receive an education and job experience while in college to get into your career right after graduation. My major is economics, and I would like to become an accountant in the future. I do not have a certain company I would like to work for; I am thinking about either a city government or possibly just individuals. The requirement is a 4-year college degree, but to become a CPA, I would need a much higher degree and a lot of job experience. I do not think I will be ready for the real world once I leave college, but I know I can slowly phase myself into it.

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  5. College may not be for everyone and sometimes employers expect people to have experience rather than a college degree. For some, college is worth the experience and connections people create with others, but maybe it is time to rethink our strategies. Instead of pushing a large group of high schoolers thinking that college is there only option. Perhaps teachers and people should start asking students if their dream job requires a college degree.

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  6. My current major is Biology. Unfortunately, I will not be able to get all the necessary experience to get a good job when finished with college. I'll probably get the education, but I will not be able to get the experience. My dream job is to become a pediatrician and I won't work for a company, but I will be working at a hospital. A college degree is definitely required in order to become a a pediatrician. They mainly require science degrees. My job would like hands on experience as well as a lot of knowledge in order to be able to be a pediatrician. I think no one is ever really ready for the real world because its a part of growing up and ones personal experience will help out in the real world.

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  7. Every first generation student dreams about going to college but the reality of it is that it is expensive and it's a lot of work. Sometimes you have to think if college is the place you want to be some students like me say of course i try my hardest to make good grades to get the degree i want. But in other cases you either drop out because of financial struggle or the work load is to much for you to handle. In this blog post it sates that for every 100 kids that enter college only 25 get a degree, 45 drop out and 30 graduate but end up unemployed. These facts are frightening to others that with the degree in college that you get can either go two ways you're successful or you fail. K-12 should have prepared us for the real world like college high school did not prepare most of us for the work load that is about to come.

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  8. At the moment, I am undeclared. I'm having a hard time deciding what I want to major in but I do have a bit of an idea what I may be interested in. I either plan on taking the business route, teaching route or even possibly the interior design route because it interests me a lot. I do believe I need college to land a good job in either one of these fields and I believe this only because colleges provides many classes specific to each major, whether it be deciding to be a business major or a high school teacher one day. I see myself doing many things in the future. If I were to declare business as my major, my dream job would be to own my own business one day. If I were to declare a specific subject and get my teaching credentials, I would want to be a high school teacher or even a professor one day. Lastly, If I were to declare my major with something to do with interior design, I would love to own a company where I was able to design rooms, houses, so on and so forth. I would love to even have a TV show one day, if it's possible of course. That would be nice! No matter what route I take, I do hope to get the experience I need here in college. I want the "studies experience" as well as the "hands on experience". Now do I believe I'm ready for the real world once I leave college? Very good question. I really don't know. I'm learning all these new things everyday in my classes but the real hands on information about how to really live life on my own, no not at all. That's what I'm scared of the most, because at this moment I would not be ready for the real world what so ever.

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  9. I am currently a biochemistry major. I believe that yes, I can get both the education and experience I need in school. I currently work in a pharmacy, so my dream job is to become a pharmacist. I work for Walgreens but would eventually like to work for an actual hospital, such as Kaiser. A college degree is required and pharmacy school is also a necessity as well training beforehand. The minimum degree that is required is usually a bachelors or masters degree to meet the prerequisites to get into pharmacy school. They ask people to do an apprenticeship before you can run the pharmacy by yourself. I do think that I will be ready for the real world once I leave college because I will have all the knowledge needed and I have a good support system at my current job. The pharmacist I work for is very helpful and supportive of me pursuing this career.

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  10. Currently I am enrolled as an undergraduate in Pre-nursing and I hope to change into being a nursing major. The science aspect of the nursing can be taught through schooling however experience can only be taught hands on in real world applications. Doing clinical rotations as a nursing student can give you an insight to what can be expected but when you're looking for a job most employers will look to see what type of other experience you hold. For example, volunteering at a local hospital or clinic on your own time. My dream job is to work as a Labor & Delivery nurse for Lucille Packard Children's Hospital. This alone requires a Bachelors of Science in Nursing and also a Registered Nursing License. I also eventually want to move up and become a Pediatric Nurse Practitioner which requires two additional years of school and a Masters Degree. I feel as if all goes well in school, I stay on track and take the necessary means of doing medical internships I may be able to succeed in a job once I finish college. However it depends on how I strive and apply concepts, understand real world applications and move forward with that.

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  11. My major is pre-nursing and I honestly think that I could get all the education and experience I need in college. However I could also do that at a community college, I may still have to pay but its less expensive than going to a university and spending over 100k. My dream job has always been to become a pediatric nurse. I don't really mind what company I work for but I would preferably like to work at a children's hospital. I have researched my major many times and from what I have found I don't need a college degree to become a pediatric nurse I just have to go to nursing school and have all my GE's. However the types of degrees that would help me get a job faster would be either a bachelors or an associates degree. From what I have researched the types of experiences they look for are bilingualism, ability to use special equipment, computer skills, leadership and critical thinking. To be honest I think that I will only be somewhat ready for the real world after college, mainly because I feel college wont really prepare me for the really necessary things that I need to be successful in my life after college.

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  12. My current major is Pre-Nursing, but I`ve been thinking a lot about maybe changing it to Kinesiology. Either way, I'm hoping by the time I'm finished with college, it would be easy for me to find a job with the degree I get. My ultimate dream job is to be a nurse for a sports organization in the Bay Area. I really don't care what organization because I would be happy with any. A college degree is required to be a nurse of any kind, but working for a big sports organization has a lot to do with your connections and knowing the right people. They would expect me to have taken a lot of classes about sports and medicine, but I'm not sure exactly what degree they look for. I hope my experiences in college will help me be ready for the real world, but you never know what can happen.This article talks about how students don't know how to do the jobs they studied to do. I honestly believe this is the school's fault and not the student's. They mention how a lot of programs have been cut from schools grades K-12 which is the main reason students going into college don't know what they want to do with their lives. Giving them more things to try gives them a better chance in finding something they enjoy doing and potentially wanting to do that for the rest of their lives. That also has to do with why so many people drop out of college before finishing. They don't find something they're passionate about and feel is worth going to school for. For example, I took a class in high school called Sports Medicine and it showed me that there are jobs out there that require you to work with sports and medicine which are my two favorite things in the world. That class is what has made me confident in deciding what I want to do with my life. I'm sure more classes like that would also help a lot more students and make them want to go to college.

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  13. Right now my major is pre-nursing. If I do get into the nursing program, I think I will have some hands on experience and education, but not enough to get a job right after graduation. Compared to the other applicants who may have a lot more experience than I do, it might be difficult in the beginning. My dream job is to become a pediatric nurse and work in Kaiser Permanente. They require a bachelors degree in nursing from an accredited nursing program. Kaiser also looks for nurses who have already been licensed. They require 6 months of experience as a registered nurse, and 1 year of experience working in pediatrics. With that in mind, it'll take a while until I manage to build the experience to land my dream job. I think I'll be somewhat ready for the real world after graduation, but it'll be a struggle at first.

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  14. I am a pre-nursing major right now, and i believe i can get a good education at CSU East Bay. A job will be hard to find since not everything will come easily but if you get involved and try to do extra activities involving your major you can make connections making it easier to get a job after college. I suppose that getting a college education will definitely help you with getting a job in the medical field since they have to make sure you know what you are doing and to make sure that you can be trusted with someone's health. My dream job is to be a Geriatric Nurse or do Neonatal care, but anything could happen and change my mind. I am not sure of what companies i would like to work for since i would go to the one where it would be more beneficial at the moment. A college degree is required for these two jobs, and getting an internship and doing other hands on activities would look great when applying for position, since that would let them know that you are good with patients and that you can be trusted with another person's health. when it comes to thinking whether im ready or not for the real world, i wouldn't know, and the reason why is because things can change by the time i graduate. As in right now i have no experience and i don't know many things either but i know that by the time i graduate i will have more knowledge and hopefully have a lot of experience as well with working with other people.

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  15. As a first generation student I dreamed about attending college and becoming a Nurse however i'm currently debating about changing my major. Reality is that college is expensive and it requires a lot of work. I do know that I need a college degree to have a stable job and earn good money. This blog post states that of the 100 students that enter college only 25 get degrees while 45 drop out and 30 become unemployed. This data is frightening because if I where to face the real world I wouldn't feel prepared a all.

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  16. I am currently a pre-nursing major. I believe that college will give me the education and experience I need to get a job after. I am currently an assistant manager at a shoe store, and work in the recreation department for my city, but my dream job is to become a RN in pediatrics. I would love to work for Kaiser or another hospital. They do require a associate or bachelor's degree. They probably are looking for people with experience in the health field or who have worked with kids. I feel like I would be scared to go into the real world after graduating from college, but believe I would be ready.

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  17. As of right now, I am a pre-nursing major at CSU East Bay. My dream job? Easy, I hope to be a registered nurse. Although that is my goal, I do show interest in other medical field positions. For any of those positions, a college degree is required. Now, will I learn all the education and experience I need to become a RN at college? Honestly, probably not. To gain more experience and education, you need to take matters into your own hands. Go out and volunteer, join clubs, meet those that could teach you a few things about your desired workplace. College is not the only place to gain the knowledge and experience you need. If I put my time and effort into learning what they don't teach in college, then yes, I believe I will be prepared for life when I leave college. Going out into the real world is scary and different but you learn something from everything you do. It will all fall into place, it'll just take some time.

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  18. I am currently enrolled at East Bay as a pre-nursing major, basically undeclared. I believe I can get a good education at CSUEB and a good experience but I also believe I could have gotten the same education at a community college and would have had better chance at getting into a nursing program if I had transferred. I could have saved tons of money going to a community college rather than coming straight to a four-year, but at the expense of the experience. My dream job is to become a nurse, a neonatal nurse to be exact. I hope to work at either Kaiser or Stanford in their neonatal departments or even pediatrics. Both hospitals are difficult to land a job in, as they expect both a degree and experience in the medical field. It is hard to say whether or not I think I would be ready for the work that nursing has to offer once I land a job. Hopefully when the time comes, I will be ready for the real world and can work in one of the two hospitals I want. Overall, going to school to get an education and a degree is well worth the struggle when you are able to get the career of your dreams.

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  19. I am a pre-nursing major at CSUEB, or as what it is now called undeclared major with an interest in nursing. I came to this school with the intention of getting into the nursing program, which I understand is very competitive and impacted. I believe I can get all the education I need at this school to land a good job when I'm finished, but I'm not completely sure about the experience. The experience is something that the school offers, however, it is up to you whether you take that opportunity or not. Initiative plays a huge part in getting the experience of involving yourself in the environment you want to be in. My dream job is to be a Registered Nurse at hopefully Kaiser or any hospital really. Of course, a college-degree is required, preferably an AA or higher with volunteer work in the medical field such as shadowing. I can't really say whether I will be ready for the real world once I leave college, but I'm working on it and confident that I will be fine.

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  20. I am a Pre-Nursing major, but the school has recently changed as undeclared with an interest in Nursing. I’m interested in becoming an RN and specialize as an Anesthetic or Pediatric Nurse. I believe that although nursing is impacted at CSUEB, with enough time to get everything done and be on top of everything, I will land a good job when I graduate. As experience goes, I’ve only heard of Nursing clubs on campus that may help with volunteer work at the hospitals but that can work if one puts in the extra time while balancing school work as well. If I become a Nurse, I wouldn’t mind working at any hospital but if I had the choice, I’d prefer to work at Kaiser or Sutter Health. I know that the hospitals expect workers to have a B.S. and a couple years of hospital experience. I believe with the knowledge, perseverance, and faith that I can make it, I’ll be ready for the real world once I leave college.

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  21. I am currently a biological major with intents to be a physician. I would like, if possible, to work at a reputable hospital and live my life the way I want to. My dream job requires me to have a college degree and an even higher degree.(med school) I know that it's going to take a long time and college is just a stepping stone to get to where I want to be. If there were programs in high school that allowed me to do this at a faster pace and they removed it, then for sure they are cheating me out of my dreams. At my high school we did have wood shop a metal shop and it was very fun to be in those classes but, there are less and less students that are interested in the class and eventually it will probably not have the funding to continue. Mostly everyone tries to study for their academics but not many wants to do hands on jobs early in their academic career.

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  22. Honestly, getting hands-on-training in high school isn't all that bad, matter of fact, I believe hands-on experience should be provided at every high school because it'll give every student an opportunity to experience different types of job forces. It'll help them get a better understanding on what they'll want to do in life, instead of waiting until their last year of high school to decide and plan out their entire college career, it's just not enough time in my opinion. I knew who and what I wanted to be before I entered college, but there's some students that need to time to think of what they want to do the rest of their lives. Student drop out really just cause a lot of debt, and I believe that's because students don't really know what they're getting themselves into when they apply for college.

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  23. There are a lot of jobs and even careers out there that don't require any type of college education or major. For example Kobe Bryant he' a major all star basket ball player, and a athlete icon and yet he got recruited right after high school and decided to join the NBA right away rather than going getting/receiving a college education, and yet he still made it in life very successfully with out college, or any type of degree like an AA, BA, Masters, or PHD. However, than there are people as myself a pre-nursing major student who will get into debt and study a lot and be book prepared, but have no clue or real life experience when it comes down to being able to put all my book skills and knowledge to the test aka the outside the world.

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  24. I'm currently enrolled as a pre-nursing major at CSUEB and I believe college is essential for this profession. Although you may be able to land several other jobs without a college degree, in nursing however, employers will not hire you unless you are a college graduate with a degree in Nursing. I believe you do get all the education and experience you need at college for this profession and is unattainable at any other place. However, doing community service, vocational or internships outside of college may be a benefit and a head start. My ideal job is to be a surgical nurse and I would enjoy to work for a Children’s Hospital in the operation room. A college degree is critical for this profession because you will need to prepare and have the proper knowledge in this area before you can operate any surgical equipment. In this field, they require at least an associate to be a nurse but the higher the education, the higher the chances you have to be considered and hired. Additionally, to the degree, they want someone who is experienced and has the proper knowledge and skills. I acknowledge that I may not be completely ready once I leave college because of the lack of experience but I think I will be ready to learn and be open minded which will eventually further my experience and I'm sure I'll be fine.

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  25. I am a pre-nursing major,which is an undecided major. I can possibly get the education and the experiences at college if I work hard enough. My dream job requires me to get the education because as registered nurse you need the experience to be prepared. In this case I know it would be a tough degree, but I would love to work in the hospital helping patience. I believe they want the experiences because they would know I have enough knowledge. The degree they would want would be health science and biology. They would want me prepared in knowing all kinds of body parts from the outside and the inside of the human body. Not just knowing the parts but knowing what they do. I would probably be ready for the real world if I do not panic because mostly everyone start off nervous when they first start out working.

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  26. We live in a world today where people are starting to work even without a degree because it is true, we don't need one. Some of the most successful people in the world never even went to college yet are still doing better than the ones that did. In this post where it spoke about K-12 not having hands-on classes, I think schools should think about bringing that back because it provides students with experience. I'm a Business major and having a class that had us maybe learn how to start our own business or helpful tips on what to do would have been really helpful in the long run. As for college, that is why it is important for students to get internships so that way when they go looking for a job, the employers will see what they have done. Overall this post was an eye-opener and inspired me to go out and actually learn what I want to do for career.

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  27. As an Art major focused on Graphic Design and Multimedia, my dream job is to work for Disney's Pixar. Recently, I went online to look for internship opportunities and also learned about their hiring standards. To my surprise, they did not require a college degree for incoming applicants. The most significant traits they look for are a person's innovative and creative ability. This actually worries me more than if they required a degree because creating out of imagination can be difficult. As an artist, I am confident in my skills but not so much in coming up with original works. Another point they made is that while they want people to come in with the basic software skills, they said that they have their own technology which they will teach. This made me feel more confident because I am fairly new to the digital world of art and have yet so much to learn. Mastering the skills needed for digital art is something I need to practice over time. As for the requirements that Disney Pixar is looking for, it was definitely surprising people can get in without a degree. It shows that as long as you have the talent and personality, you have a chance.

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  28. This is quite unsettling considering the fact that I am a Freshmen in college who's sole plan was to finish college and find a high paying job in the outside world. That was my whole purpose going into college, so reading this article makes you reconsider what the pathway to success really is. I always thought that the right way to go was to use college as a tool to be able to become more attractive to job employers, but this article states otherwise. Perhaps the the students who do not drop out of college are the lucky ones; the ones who have found their purpose and who have complete confidence in themselves. Nonetheless, college is still the safest route to success and I will continue going forward.

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  29. I have recently changed my major from pre nursing to physiology since I came to realize that nursing just was no for me. My dream job is to become a neurosurgeon so it's easy to say that a huge amount of education is required for my career.Although it will be hard, I feel secure with my career choice, mainly because physicians will be needed as long as people continue to get sick.I believe that school has limited students to simply take in all information and just spit it all out in a test.In order for students to be more ready for the real world, we should integrate hands on learning(I'm talking more than just lab hours). We should possibly consider making most or even all classes more hands on, it could possibly lead to an increase of readiness of students graduation from college looking into employment.

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  30. My major is currently pre-nursing, but I'm debating whether or not I should go into kinesiology. I believe I am able to receive all the education and experience from college. I also believe I need to step foot into an internship which would most likely be a hands on experience. I honestly don't have a dream job at the moment, I'm really just going with the flow of things. In the future, I would love to work for Kaiser since it's such a large and well known hospital. I believe in order to work in a hospital as a medical staff you need to have a college degree. Who would honestly hire someone who had no education as a medical staff? I believe you need to have an associates degree at the very least, but rather prefer someone who has a higher degree if possible. I think they would want someone who has worked in a hospital and have experience with patients. I believe I will be ready for the real world if I set my priorities straight. I need to look for internships or maybe volunteer work before I do the real thing.

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  31. My major is pre-nursing, and you don't really need a full college education in order to be in this field, however, in a nursing job if you want to get hired and want a good job you are suggested to go to college. Reason being , its preferred by employers is that they want more critical thinkers and i believe that receiving a Bachelors and going out into the nursing workforce will be much easier competing with other nurses that just went to trade school. College to me is in my opinion really important and If i happen to get int their nursing program I feel i will end up doing some internship and be more than prepared for the workforce once I'm off college. Its always been my life goal to become a nurse and going to college i feel will make my goal easier to pursue.

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  32. Currently my major is kinesiology and I feel that a college education is necessary in succeeding in that field and getting a good job. I want to become a physical therapist and do that I need to take multiple biology classes something that I am working to master.Internships and a lot of hands on work would be beneficial in becoming a physical therapist as it's a hands on type or career. The classes here are beneficial in helping me for when I graduate college because the provide the right courses and even help with getting internships.When I leave college I feel that I will be prepared to make it into a good physical therapy program.

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  33. As a current college and pre-nursing student, I immediately felt the pressure and tension between me and my peers. I knew that my classmates were not only my peers, but my competition and could potentially be the ones who prevent me from getting into the nursing program. One of the reasons the nursing program is so impacted is because too many people are shooting for the same hoop. I also believe many students who pick pre-nursing are often unsure on what they really want to do and choose nursing as a last resort since they are undecided. High schools need to begin implementing programs that help students, at an earlier age, figure out and gain experience based on what field they may want to pursue in the future.

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  34. It took me 6 years and 2 combat deployments to the Middle East for me to realize what I wanted to do. Although i didn't need to join the military to figure it out, it helped me view different career opportunities. Throughout high school everyone was pushed to go to college. College isn't right for anyone and it wasn't right for me then. If I knew now what I knew then, I would have become an EMT, gone to a fire academy and then to paramedic school. All this could be done in a vocational setting. What's my major now? Nursing. I need a degree to get the job and my experience in emergency medicine will help me get there.

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  35. As a freshman in college majoring in pre-nursing, I believe that college is mandatory in order to pursue a good-paying job in the medical field. Education is key. Internships are a great opportunity to get a "hands-on" experience to see how things work. Although college is time-consuming and expensive, it is worth it in the long-run. It is beneficial because you learn a great amount of knowledge and learn how to apply it to everyday life. Nursing is one of the hardest and most competitive majors, and people who are more educated and know more about the medical field are chosen to proceed to the next step: the nursing program. Hospitals obviously want to hire people who know what they are doing in order to provide patients the proper care they need to get better. College prepares people for the real world and is worth it.

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  36. My current major is pre-nursing and I do agree that most schools does not teach students the essence of critical thinking. They are too focused on following the agenda of the school that they tend to not teach students basic survival needs like how to pay taxes or how to fix your car. Critical thinking is essential in order to be effective on a job.
    As a pre-nursing major,I think I will get most education from college but there are some information that I have to discover by myself. Personally, I do not have a dream job but I just want one that gives me a lot of money.I think I will be ready once I leave college since I go to a university where they have a great nursing program.

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  37. I am currently a kinesiology major here at East Bay and I do believe I am getting the education I need for the future of my job I am working towards for. My dream job is to be a personal fitness trainer, possibly to work along with my mom since she is a personal fitness trainer as well. I think a college degree is helping me with the knowledge I need with the job and experience would be required. In addition, I am planning to do internships before I work and a couple of programs for example, the ACE and ACSM programs to become a certified personal trainer. Once I leave college, I feel I will be prepared for the personal trainer program and help other people get to their fitness goals.

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  38. I am a political science major here at Cal State East Bay, later on I want to go to law school and eventually become a lawyer, but I am one of those who is not very fond of school, homework, waking up early, etc. I have learned that life comes with sacrifice and although I feel very unmotivated at times, I think of the better future I am willing to give my family and how I am the one who has to step up. Although college might not be fun for everyone, Think of the outcome and how it can improve your life in the long run. Life comes with sacrifices and you have to be willing to understand what is more important and be willing to put in the extra effort.

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  39. During high school I never really tried that hard. it was not until my junior year when I started trying and got a 3.8 gpa, which helped me get into college. I never really thought about going to college until my junior year because I felt like college just wasn't for me. Growing up I always wanted to be in the military, but everyone would always tell me to get an education after high school. I came to college as a kinesiology major but during my first quarter of college I switched to business. These facts in the article are not that surprising to me because I feel like in college nobody is forcing you to do your work, it is almost all on you to do it. It is very surprising to me that a big name company like google is hiring people who never went to college. I wish that our education system would bring back the vocational classes that they took away, I feel like people would be more prepared to handle real life situations if they had taken those classes.

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  40. School has always been a huge part of my life. I've always maintained good grades, and wont settle for anything less than a B. My parents didn't take school as seriously as they should have, so they've always been on me about the importance of getting an education. I'm in college to make my family proud but more importantly because I want more for myself. I don't see myself pursuing a career that doesn't require college. When it comes to how much money we're spending on tuition amongst other things, it can be a bit overwhelming. However, I'm investing in my education to provide a comfortable lifestyle for my family and I. As far as my major, I wanted to make sure it's something I'm passionate about. Also, I'm sure that I can get a job shortly after graduating, and not have to worry about being laid off or fired due to budget cuts. There's always going to be sick people, so nurses are always going to be needed.

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  41. I really enjoyed reading this post. It's true because for many jobs you don't need a college education in order to be hired to that company. Especially if college isn't the path for you it should really be considered if a college education is something that you need in order to get the job you want. For me personally I think I do need a college education because of the job I want to pursue, which is to be a nurse or pediatrician. But for some people college isn't the path they want or even need to take so why go through it if you do not feel like it's right for you, especially since it is very expensive. Sometimes college isn't the path for everyone and it's good to find out early rather than later.

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  42. I'm first girl in my whole family to go to college.I tried my best in high school so i could get in to college because that what everyone told me. family ,friends, teachers they said to be able to have good Job and easy life go to college. But after reading this article i'm really surprised so few people who go to college actually finish or graduate. I'm pre-nursing major and nursing program here is near impossible to get into but i'm studying really hard and no matter what i'm sticking with nursing even if I don't get into east bay nursing program i'm applying to to the programs until i get in. The nursing program has requirement of hundreds of hours to work in hospitals so i think by time i graduate i will be prepared.

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  43. My major is pre-nursing. I feel as I can get the education and experience in college. But then there is community college, it cheaper than the State and UC school here in California. Same studies and work just at drastic price points. My dream job is to become a travel nurse to go to third world countries and help those people in need. I would love to travel to different places and help multiple people. But being an RN nurse would be fine with me.I would need a degree for my job and I would pass the RN exam. They would like yo see some type of work in the health care field for many places. I think I would be slightly ready for the real world but it will be a real struggle at the start.

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  44. As I am in college right now, the major I am going for is pre-nursing. I feel I can get a lot of education and experience in college to land a good job. But, I believe that I need to learn things on my own outside of college. College is a great tool to have to get a good job, but there are other ways to get a good job. There is so much that colleges do not have that the outside college world has. My dream job is to become a nurse and after become a firefighter. I would love to work for a nearby station such as Union City, Pleasanton, Hayward, and Newark. Firefighting needs some type of degree; they prefer mostly health degrees, like nursing and health science. They want smart and strong workers to work in firefighting. As of right now, I am not ready to for the real world, but when I graduate I hope to be ready.

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  45. Being the first child in my family to go to college is cool, but I feel like there's a lot of pressure on me and now especially reading this. I think its scary how all these students are graduating and half of them end up unemployed. If this happens to me I'd feel like college was just a waste of time and money. I hope that unlike these graduates I actually get a job and I know its going to be tough. I agree that it's wrong that schools took away vocational classes. I feel like the majority of students learn better with hands on experience rather than just being lectured and thrown book work. hands on work gives you the experience that you'll need for any future job so employers should be getting mad at schools and not the students.

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  46. During my high school senior year, I have always asked myself should I go to college or not. However, when I tell myself that I want to become a nurse someday, I start to do many research about the nursing career and work hard to get into college. As a current pre-nursing major student in Cal State East Bay, I know that the most knowledge that need for the nursing I can learn in the college, bu some of them I still need to discover by myself. But I think by choosing to attend college actually help myself to step out a greater step to achieve my goal of becoming a nurse.
    Hsin Yi Tseng

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  47. I am a biology major, at California State University East Bay, to become a dentist or to be in the dental field. I believe colleges only educate you about your career or give you a idea of how your career will be. They expect you to learn how your career will be by yourself and with the education they gave you. To become a dentist you need to have a bachelors degree in biology, just to move further into the career. So to me college helps me move on forward with my life. If my high school would have had vocational classes like my middle school had, i would have had a better GPA and a better experience in my high school. I really love how google is trying to prove how GPA and SAT scores don't matter, and its the way you use your skills that truly matter.

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  48. By reading this article, I have some mixed feelings about it. I do believe that college is difficult for many students, particularly for incoming freshmen. I think a big reason students face difficulties in college is because the education received from elementary to high school has not done a good job preparing us for college material standards, which requires you to think on your own and connect things with the real world.

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  49. It is very daunting to believe only 25% of students who attend college graduate and find their "dream job." My goal is to become a Physical Therapist or an Athletic Trainer. In my high school, i was fortunate to have such vocational studies and took advantage of them so i definitely have more hands-on experience than those who never took those classes. i definitely belive that I will increase my chances of finding my dream job if I have prior experience in the same field. Like me, I have recently joined a fitness club on campus that instructs individuals of any fitness level to achieve their fitness goals. There are two clubs on campus and for the public in Tennyson Park in Hayward. So with that experience I will hopefully receive in the next fours years of college, I definitely have a shot of finding a job and one that i truly want.

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  50. It was true that students of the past were recommended to go to college in order to have a so called "successful" life, but the in the world of today you can land a nice well payed job sometimes even without a degree. My teachers daughter didn't attend college and she landed a wonderful job with Google. So it sort of proves that you can be successful if you are motivated to.

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  51. I am a pre-nursing student. It is very terrifying knowing that nursing is a difficult field to get into because of high competitors. I always knew since I was younger that I was going to continue and go to college so I'm keeping my word and putting in my full complete effort. Reading this article made me have an iffy feeling about school but what I can say is that school isn't for everyone. Some students go and end up dropping out because they realize it isn't for them, what's the point of staying if you won't put in all your effort and waste your time and money. Getting a career is very important in my family instead of just getting a job because not a lot of people get the opportunity to continue their education. For example neither of my parents have anything higher then high school education. Not because they didn't want to keep going but because where they are from that wasn't an option. That's why I believe people should take advantage of the fact that they can go to college.

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  52. I am currently in the Health Science major. Where am I going with that? I HAVE NO IDEA. But I'm the first one in my family to graduate high school so I have to set the "example" that education is important to land a super good well paying job. Which clearly states in this blog and several other articles, that not everyone gets after graduating college. Which is what I am terrified of. They've always taught us in school that college is where they teach you everything about what you want to do in your life and how to be great at it, but being in college now, its nothing like how I expected it to be, and to be honest I don't think college is going to be the place where I get all my education and experience for whatever it is I end up doing. My dream job would be modeling. It sounds absolutely crazy and although it isn't something I can do or should do, but it sounds fun. The blog mentioned google, and I think working for their company would be pretty cool as well. They don't require college degree's and they want people who can get tasks done. I've had 2 jobs in the past 2 1/2 years, both food related, but both in different places. I can't stress enough how bad it is working in fast food. It's stressful and difficult, but it does give you a lot of experience with customers. That was how I figured out I wasn't a people person. So that already eliminates so many choices for types of careers I can look at.

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  53. School isn't meant for everyone but I blame that on our K-12 education that doesn't seem to prepare anyone for what is actually in store for us after High School. With that said, education is still very important for us in order to understand how life works and to learn more about our surroundings considering school teaches us these things like politics, trends, and more. It's not about the degree at this point but more so the fact we need to prepare the new generation to take over the old sooner or later when the time comes. Life is like the "Hunger Games" not everyone is going to make it but at least educate them all to understand what they want and move towards that goal. Personally, without school, I would end up oblivious and naive with my surroundings hoping everything would be given to me after High School. It wasn't till after some time, I learned that any job will do as long as the pay and free time was rewarding. I dont yearn for a dream job or major but instead, I dream for a financially stable job that pays well with enough free time to have fun with my life. A mentor once told me, "People these days live only to work but I want to work so I can live". Sadly, we live in such a competitive flawed society that requires a flimsy paper certificate or degree just to be accepted for a job position that most likely others without degrees can be just as good or are better qualified.

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  54. This is one of the most repeatedly discussed topics among college students. I think this post is little biased, especially it’s focusing on only STEM major-related job. Personally, my major is kind of social science (development studies) and most jobs in my major require us to have Bachelor degree or Master one. Most organizations which are related to United Nation are requiring us to have Master degree to apply. Having master degree is the minimum requirement. It is my field. The author did not consider this kind of cases.

    Besides that, statistically, "For every 100 kids who start college, just 25 get degrees and attractive jobs. 45 drop out, and another 30 graduate but end up under- or unemployed", it must be true. We have countless amount of the college in the US, or around the world. There are of course lower level colleges and the higher level colleges. It depends on the level, curriculum, assistant service, anything else. It is thoughtless to think all “colleges” are same and all 45% students drop out. The worthy universities have many vocational programs, such as intern or some classes project-based.

    In addition, I have watched some TED talks about college and education. Some are stating similar thing as the author is, on the other hand, others are insisting that attending college is not for getting a job. It is the place to get “educated”. It contains several alternatives of the interpretation and we can genuinely pursue what we want to learn. We must not ignore that.

    Finally, I am not saying “everyone has to go to college and spend tons of money”. We have to face with how to construct our own life, and there are many choices. This article is effectively reminding us the importance of that.

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  55. Seeing as most of these comments involve degrees in the science/biology field, I can see as to why there are a lot of people who are confused and torn between the idea of what comes after school. But when it comes to it, sometimes just having that degree will land you jobs over others. One of my good friends graduated from Sac state with a degree in chemistry, and told me that the only reason he decided to get his degree was because nobody takes you seriously without a degree and it was incredibly easy for him to land jobs he wanted. Now the fact remains that he wasn't landing jobs at chemistry labs, but that's not something he ever wanted when he got into it.
    While it is true that having a degree doesn't prove you can put together a light bulb. Having a degree proves as a fact that there are things you know over others that they would never know outside of some of the college provided classes. It's one of the safest and most grounded opportunities that society has to offer and passing it up over the premise that you just might not use it is incredibly silly. You always strive for more and strive for the best and don't let someone convince you that you shouldn't try, because you never know.

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  56. I am an example of a student who worries about the practicality of college:
    I am not ready for my future career because I don't know what the employers actually want, and the college is not really teaching us about it. College could be a waste of time for many people. I believe every one has different learning pace, and the college seems to manage only one speed for all students. However, college seems to give me a wider autonomy I didn't face in high school. More class options give me chances to understand my own pace, what to do, when to do, and what to not do.
    Because the lack of experience I cannot judge my education in college. I guess what I am maintaining in my mind is hopping that my education is leading me step by step to the real competitions in society, rather than a illusional state of utopia. People say the society has created this platform that all people seem to compulsively follow. But I don't know if it's just their illusional justification for being educated by schools.

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  57. Before starting this current semester I was having giving a lot of thought into the subject. I was deciding whether I should take a break from DVC and head over to a CNA program instead to get my certificate and start working in the field. The reason I held off this year was not knowing if it was going to be worth the trouble or the pay. A few weeks ago though, I saw on Instagram how a girl from high school did the program over the summer and now she is working for Kaiser Permanente. I was absolutely dumbfounded to hear that she could get a job in a great hospital and company with only her CNA certification.
    As a nursing major I know more than anyone how important clinical hours are. Between a student with a 4.0 all throughout school and one with a 3.5 but hundreds of hours with experience, the hospitals are more likely to choose the latter. After reading the articles that have been handed in this class and doing some research I will most likely take a semester off and do a trade, just so I can further my experience even more.

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  58. Is college for me? This out of every other question there is, is the one I’ve been wrestling with the most. Now don’t get me wrong, I love school. I love being a student and expanding my knowledge to new and exciting things. I admire the new ways professors attempt to structure and teach their classes, but most of all I love the social aspect of college. The only thing I don’t love is the wasting of time. Now there have been many classes that has resonated with me and has taught me some valuable tips and skills. However, the thing that’s throwing me off is the general education classes. Like I always question, when am I ever going to need to know how to calculate the area of a rhombus in the real world ? Or why am I being fed the lies about Christopher Columbus and theories of our primal evolution (Shots fired at you Darwin)?
    But on the other hand of the spectrum, I’m not 100% willing to just drop out of school and become a full time student of life. I’m still eager to see what’s at the end of the line in my college journey. What am I going to learn, how I am going to evolve, and who will I end up to be. I guess I will just come to the consensus that I want this degree and in no time I will have my general education completed and I will be able to focus solely of the beautiful bounds of English.And instead of being so focused on a GPA or rank, I’m just going to make sure that I get the most out of my classes. Live in the moment. Grasp it.

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  59. Is college necessary? Putting yourself though all those years of sleepless nights and terrifying moments of hoping you passed worth it? taking a risk on paying so much money and going through years and years at school just for a piece of paper that doesn't guarantee a job but shows you accomplished something. A piece of paper that can help you get that well paying job. Well in my situation yes but what does that mean? The reason I made school a top priority is because I have no choice. My parents do not force me to be here or supply me with amounts of money to live every month. I choose to be here because were I come from it is either education or working in agriculture. Working in the fields picking grapes under a non shady 3 feet tall tree for a bad pay for 10 hours. My parents suffered that fate and I do not want to follow their foot steps. SO is college really necessary? Yes, at least in my situation. It will help me follow my dreams to become a Physical Education teacher and coach cross country. Through the sport and teaching I hope to impact some kids life. For me college was not a choice, it was a necessity to continue living and not suffer like my parents.

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  60. College is not for everyone. For many reasons including that some people just don't need it because of background experience inside of school or outside of school in a particular field of work. Personally I am a kinesiology major thinking of having a minor in Business. The reasoning that I have to be in this major is because of my sports background and injury background. Being in offices with different types of doctors and trainers have influenced me a lot to want to become something in this field. I want to have a minor in business because of my current job that I need a degree in the field of business. So in some cases you do not necessarily need college but in some situations it wouldn't hurt to go if you know why you're going in the first place.
    A point that I personally agree on is some of the difficulties that incoming freshmen have coming into college are that the K-12 education system doesn't help the student as much as it should. Some aspects of the current education system needs some work because it doesn't prepare the student for what they really need in the workforce in the means of putting you through certain situations in which you will be faced with in the workforce, however you will be presented with situations in which you will find yourself again in a classroom in college. This system is hurting the current economy because students are feeling accomplished getting out of college but then struggle to do anything because they were not taught how to apply their knowledge in real life situations

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  61. Before coming to a 4 year college, I thought to myself, "Is it really worth all the money and moving somewhere completely new to follow my dreams?". I wasn't completely sure. I didn't know if I personally was even ready for this step yet. But I decided to do this and came to college. If I didn;t come here I'm pretty sure I would be working in the fields or at a super market or something. My parents worked so hard coming to this country so that my brothers and I can have a better life than they did and all they wanted is for us to go to college and be someone in this world. Graduating college one day shows them that all they did wasn't in vein. It shows myself that I can accomplish everything I put my mind into. In my case college is necessary if I want to continue being a physical therapist or personal trainer because I need to learn a lot of stuff and I believe I couldn't learn it other than college.

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  62. My current major is Undeclared with Interest in Nursing, also known as Pre-Nursing, and I do believe that you can get all the education and experience that one needs in college in order to land a good job. I believe that it depends on certain circumstances. If the job that one wants to pursue does not require a higher level of education or requires prerequisites of such, college is not essential; however, if the job not only requires but is dependent on a certain educational degree, going to college is a must. In reference to the blog post, I found it surprising that the majority of students who attend college actually do not attain a degree because personally, if I was investing thousands of dollars into an education that I want, I am the type of person to go all in and finish it. But, to a certain degree I can agree to this trend because even from the university I currently attend, there is an estimated graduation rate of less than 40%. In addition, as for my dream job, although I am currently studying Nursing as a contingency plan, ever since I was a little kid I always wanted to be an airline pilot and fly for Philippine Airlines. As for education, they require a bachelor's degree or higher in order to be qualified and although not specified, a degree in any Aeronautical Science is preferred.In addition, experience wise, I am thankful to have received my Private Pilot, Commercial, and hopefully Airline Transport License through which I have gained more than 500+ hours of flight experience which is the basic requirement in order to be accepted into the Philippine Airlines Pilot Program. Thus, I do believe I will be ready for the real-world after college hopefully working for the airlines but if not, be ready to fully pursue Nursing if I get accepted in the Nursing program, god willing.

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  63. I'm currently enrolled as a psychology major at CSUEB. I started off my first quarter here as a Kinesiology major. I am jumping around major to major because I feel as if my K-12 experience didn't help prepare me to see my many possibilities in this world. I feel as if everything we did/learned in K-12 helped the schools with their reputations and how their students look on their standardized tests to be able to continue running their schools. That's honestly why I feel like majority of people are unprepared for the "real world" experiences. We aren't just a name on a piece of paper. We are individuals who are conditioned to be book ready and once we are sent off to college, we aren't sure which career paths to take because there are so many options but we still don't know what we like. We haven't been exposed to any vocational classes that enhance our understanding of our different and endless career options. I don't think the academic part of college will prepare anyone for the "real world." What happens to you and what you experience aside from the academics is what really helps you prepare for the "real world." I'm not seeking a specific job at the moment but I'm just hoping and working toward getting a job that allows me to become financially stable and some time that allows me to live my life, explore, and have fun. I believe that degrees are over rated, but, in order to accomplish the things I want to achieve, it's statistically proven that jobs hire people that have more on their resume than not- except for Google, apparently. Like Frederick Douglass said, "If there's no struggle, there's no progress." I'm struggling right now in order to provide a healthy/steady foundation for my future family and myself. I'm making sacrifices until I make it.

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  64. I am a health sciences major at CSUEB. I plan to continue my education after graduating from CSUEB and earn my Bachelors of Science in Nursing. A major concern when choosing where to continue my education is the amount of time spent in the classroom versus in clinical practice. Certain schools have reputations based on the amount of time the nursing students are trained and prepared during clinical practice. Very prestigious schools have great reputation for making their nurses book smart, but are unprepared and inexperienced when it comes to working on a hospital floor, while other schools are known to prepare their students properly for the physical work they will be doing. It’s difficult to balance these two components because they are both so vital for success, but rely on one another. The majority of nursing programs in the United States are only two years in length, and sometimes even shorter than that. They do offer accelerated nursing programs for those who already have a bachelor’s degree, which typically are a year in length. This brings up another issue, which is if that length of time for these programs is adequate enough to make sure the students have gotten enough experience and familiarity to enter to workplace. The issue of the amount of education and experience when earning my degrees plays a huge role, because I want to make sure I am as experienced and prepared to be not only a qualified nurse, but a good nurse.

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  65. Being the first of my family to attend college its important for me to see what benefits me in college and the steps i have to take to be able to accomplish my goals that i have. My major is Business in option of marketing in CSUEB, my financial money covers some of my debt but not all. What i have seen and learned is that there are many different majors that you don't have to go to a four year and pay so much, when you could be able to study in a shorter amount of time and earn your degree same way. For my business major, I have seen that its a lot of time to accomplish my goal and also in the money that is being given, in the majority of classes that I have to take besides my GE requirements of the school. We have to be able to know what are major is being consisted of and if we really believe if it is going to benifit us in the future. There are so many majors nowadays that aren't able to pay themselves, so we have to start paying for our debt mostly more if we want to go to law school or continue our study of our major. Many students drop out of college because many go through financial money and also aren't able to see what is most important for them throughout the course of seeing so many debt that they might be in, and are employed in the low income of not earning enough money compared to students that are able to get their degree.

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  66. I've always agreed with having vocational-type classes during high school. AT my high school we did have a program called ROP where you could basically jump start your vocational career as it gave you community college credits. They had so many great programs for auto mechanics, construction, welding, dental, and medical field related. Before I would look down on community colleges because i wanted to take the "shorter" route but I think that would be even more beneficial. Sometimes I wish I did just go to vocational school, because it's way less competitive and you're actually doing the work you would do in your field from the get go. In the position I'm in, if i obtain my B.S. in nursing i don't think I will be prepared at all. I'd most likely need a lot more training to be able to feel confident helping patients. My dream job is to one day become a nurse practitioner or maybe even go to medical school and become an OB/GYN. For the nursing career you need a clinical experience. I don't think I'll be ready for the real world at all when I graduate.





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  67. In response to this articles question, I believe college is right for me. Because I do want to be in the medical field, going to college wasn't a yes or no choice. Growing up, I enjoyed going to school, but I of course had days where I didn't want anything to do with school. Once I found out that I got accepted into a few universities, I couldn't be more excited to be able to have the chance to continue my education. Although Anatomy has been kicking my you know what, nothing would ever make me regret choosing to go to college.

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  68. If I would have known that it was good to take vocational classes in high school, I would have. To answer the question I do think that college is going to do good for me with my major as nursing. Although it is going to be extremely challenging to get into the program, once I am in the program I feel like I will be set. Nurses are paid well and needed everywhere and it won't be hard to apply the skills because they teach you hands on in the program. However, nursing is not my dream job. My dream job would be working as a famous makeup artist. Most famous makeup artists are self-taught but some do take little classes here and there. I would not need to attend college and a degree. But to make it, it would be extremely difficult and challenging and I would not be guaranteed a steady job and pay. That's why I am going to become a nurse and do makeup on the side . This will definitely give me a steady future, so I do think college is worth it you just need to consider a lot to see if it will be right for you.

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  69. I think that this post is actually really meaningful post. Public schools have pushed aways from vocational schooling that teaches practical skills needed a particular field. Public schools have been more focused on the main subjects such as english, math, and science. They say that the better public schools do in those areas of education the more funding they get from the district. As a first year, I've seen a growing trend of students just going to school to make their parents happy. Their parents view college as a pathway to success. But there are actual other ways to success, such as the wielding field, or plumbing, or even some construction. But more of these jobs require actual experience in order to be at the top and earn the most money. As a student myself, I can say that I don't know why I'm in college. I'm doing so well in my classes to get into the nursing program but I'm not even sure if that's what I want for myself.

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